The Modern Moms Roadmap to Balance Podcast

Episode 46: Breaking the Silence on Breastfeeding Trauma: Healing and Support for Moms with Special Guest Casey Coleman

• Kayla Nettleton • Episode 46

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Motherhood is a beautiful journey—but let’s be real, it’s not always smooth sailing. In this episode, we’re joined by Casey Coleman, a licensed mental health therapist and mom of two, to dive deep into the emotional rollercoaster of early motherhood. 🌊 Together with her husband, Phil, Casey helps new parents navigate the challenges of postpartum life and create meaningful connections during this life-changing transition.

Casey’s story gets real fast—think breastfeeding struggles, unmet expectations, and the emotional toll of trying to balance it all. 🍼❤️ From the societal pressure of “breast is best” to the mental strain of feeding schedules and lactation appointments, Casey walks us through the grief and anxiety that so many moms face but rarely talk about. Tune in to hear how Casey made the brave decision to prioritize her mental health, proving that self-compassion is key when the going gets tough.

We also unpack the lesser-known aspects of breastfeeding, including:

  • Breastfeeding aversion and the emotional disconnect it can bring
  • The weight of identity and pressure tied to milk supply (whether it’s too little or too much)
  • Postpartum OCD and anxiety—how intrusive thoughts can sneak in
  • The trend of exclusively pumping and how it can impact mental health

Plus, Casey shares some powerful advice on curating a social media space that supports your well-being instead of sparking comparison. 📲 If you’re a new mom feeling overwhelmed or if the expectations of parenthood aren’t matching your reality, this episode is for you. Casey offers practical tools and emotional support to help you thrive during postpartum.

Looking for more? Casey provides therapy services in Texas and Florida, and she’s here to support you every step of the way. 💙 Don't miss out on this honest, empathetic, and empowering conversation—it’s the kind of discussion that reminds you: You are not alone.

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About the Podcast Host
Kayla Nettleton is a licensed therapist based in TX, business owner, mom of 3 kids and coach for therapists who want support and guidance in their journey in creating an aligned business model so that they can live the freedom based life they've always dreamed of without sacrificing their own needs.

In her private practice as a therapist Kayla specialize in helping women overcome anxiety, perfectionism and people pleasing tendencies so that they can lead a more fulfilled and authentically aligned life


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Speaker 1:

Hello, hello everyone, and welcome back to the Modern Moms Roadmap to Balance podcast. I'm your host, kayla Nettleton, and today my guest is Casey Coleman. Casey is a licensed mental health therapist practicing in Texas and Florida, virtually with her partner, phil Coleman. They work together on cases often, as Casey typically sees the individuals transitioning to motherhood and perhaps struggling through some birth or breastfeeding trauma, where her husband works with the couple to ensure a connected transition to parenthood.

Speaker 1:

Casey pulls from several different approaches when working with clients like EMDR, ifs and ERP. However, she is highly collaborative and believes every woman's experience of motherhood is different and therefore requires different healing options. She has two littles at home and does not know what life would be like without music. Thank you for joining us, casey. Thank you for having me. I think it is awesome when I meet with therapists who use this kind of collaborative, holistic approach and not just one modality. It's good if, if you're, if you have just studied one modality and you're working through that, but it is like super important to have different things to pull from, because every person is different and everyone is going to respond to different modalities. It's there is no like one size fits all approach.

Speaker 2:

I literally just got done saying that I was doing a consultation. I'm like right before this and I said those exact words Like I do not believe that there's a one size fits all approach, Just so funny.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, I mean I'd say the same thing too, because I never want clients to think that we're trying to fit them into this box that other people are fitting into. It's all about them as the person, their experiences, because we all have different experiences, different ways of living, different ways we grew up, and even if they are the same, there's still different nuances to all of it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, for sure, and I I think, in regard to like our clientele, to like moms and, in particular, like our version of mother, is so different, right, like from like our relationship with our mom or our like culture or family dynamic, or like how accessible you know we are to social media and what we're taking in, and things like that. So like there is no one size fits all you know for anything, especially for motherhood, even too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and speaking of accessibility even our accessibility to support systems and things that are able to help us I'm in a rural area, so there is not a lot here in my hometown to help moms in the physical right. So that's one of the reasons why I started this podcast to be able to showcase the different ways that moms can get help, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like where you are. If you have those options, that's awesome, but these are ways that you can get the help that maybe it's not where you live, but it's in the online space and that's still okay.

Speaker 2:

For sure. That's what I think I've loved about social media is how connected I've gotten, like I've met you. I've met several other therapists in this, like mama niche right. You have met several other therapists in this, like mama niche right, which like not just in our country but like internationally too, which is so oh yeah, especially how our different cultural dynamics kind of play into what we think a mom should be right. We've been really really connecting. That like the whole point of social media.

Speaker 1:

That like the whole point of social media yes, yes, the whole point of social media is to be able to connect with other people, connect with resources and support systems, not for comparison, which it is often used for 1000, absolutely yeah well, before we keep getting into all the good stuff, let me ask you the question I ask everybody, which is what is your definition of a balanced life?

Speaker 2:

I love this question so much. I really think that it is an intuitive life because I think when we are able to be very internally aware and know what we need, know what we want and ask for that and receive support in that, I think that we're able to feel more balanced right. Like, and I think that this also changes depending upon what season your kids are, maybe in what?

Speaker 2:

season you're in like what's going on in your life right at the moment. You know when that question is asked, so I don't think there's any like quote-unquote, like right way to be balanced. I think that it more so comes from internal awareness.

Speaker 1:

Yes, oh, yeah, yeah. And that is like the biggest reason why I ask everybody this question, because there is going to be different. Some of it is going to be a little bit similar. Sometimes Some people may have the same definition, but the way that they view it it's going to be different. The way that they explain it's going to be different and I want the women and moms listening to hear that and use what resonates for them.

Speaker 2:

Totally. Yeah, I say often to my clients if they're in taking any information, whether it's social media or the news or just like talking to their friends or family, like take what is helpful, take what's supportive and leave them helpful Right. And so kind of taking on what is going to kind of lend to that balanced life for you in this particular season, in this particular stage, because I know for me what might have been what I needed, like in the newborn phase of like versus right now, when my kid is going to kindergarten, is very, very different.

Speaker 1:

So oh, yes, it is. It is and that's such great advice. Even, too, when we were just talking about social media and how many people will compare, if you find yourself not feeling good when you're going through social media or there's some accounts that make you feel really anxious, like that's a good sign that you probably should unfollow those, because there's enough to be anxious about without someone else doing the job for you, like making you anxious yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done like a lot of reflecting, I feel like, in the last probably month or so, because my social media is just not growing and it's just like I'm like not gaining followers.

Speaker 2:

But I genuinely enjoy it. I really love it and I think that it helps my practice and my work with my clients because I'm more reflective, which is really great. So I'm gonna keep doing it because I think it's really creative and a cool outlet for me. But I think, as I'm reflecting, like I don't do the hooks that are like going to catch you, you know, or like the really extreme stuff, and I'm just like more moderate. I am a little bit more like balanced and I don't want to just like slap something on like my social media page because I think that it's going to get as long as I want it to actually help other moms. You know what I mean. So I think that that was just like a really interesting reflection that I had.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's not those hooks that are like oh my gosh, I need to know this information.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Cause I think that for myself personally not professionally, but personally when I do, I get sucked in. And then that does kind of act the anxiety and like the rat race of it all and how many followers and how I'm doing this correctly or right that's like a really big trigger that I talk to my clients with. Like what's your intention, you know, behind behind this parenting decision? What's your intention behind behavior? And when I get into this kind of narrative in my head of what's the right thing, what's the correct thing, that can very surely spiral for me oh, yeah, yeah, and I bet there's a lot of listeners here who also resonate with that too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Yeah totally so. So one of the things that you specialize in is helping moms through breastfeeding trauma. Can you talk a little bit more about what that means for you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we were kind of talking right before we started the podcast, but for me, like a really big identifier is what I call grief in the gap and what I mean by that is, there is expectation and then there's the reality of what's going on, and it can be so difficult for us to accept the reality and the dissonance between those two things is often full of grief, full of disappointment, full of these really uncomfortable and unpleasant emotions that are going on. And I think when we're trying to just feed and nourish our kid and our baby, there's so much pressure surrounding that. We've probably heard so often breast is, breast is best.

Speaker 2:

But you don't hear a lot of like all of the different appointments that you have to go to very early postpartum all the oral exercises, the decision to get procedures done and then more oral exercise after that, and then you know different products and different pumps and different gadgets like all of these different things, so much so that it's like it's almost like a subculture kind of it really is people like that, that breastfeed, or have been on this journey of like pumping or even even formula feeding, like just all the different bottle attachments and finding the right one and finding you know, maybe your baby has allergies, like it is just feeding your kid is so complex and I feel like nobody talks about it.

Speaker 2:

And even those just moments of distress can turn into trauma if they're not processed through, if they're not healed from. And so my biggest passion is I don't think I had the language Like when I had my daughter. I thought that you know, the postpartum period is going to be really slow and gentle and it was just going to be really fluid and I was going to have a lot of these like cuddly naps on this and I had some of that, but I was not prepared for the appointments and the products and like in everything that I just went into. So it was really traumatic for me and really turned into this huge wave of grief that I wasn't expecting early on and led into some postpartum depression and really kind of affected my worth as a mom, which is why I'm so passionate about talking about it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Because what I'm hearing is your expectation of how this was going to be didn't meet the reality of what you were experiencing in that moment.

Speaker 2:

That's exactly right. Yeah, I expected slow, I expected gentle, I expected lots of at home time, you know, and we were just going to close off our. We were going to be like a show, you know, into going to be me and my partner and some support people and baby, and it was not. I was in the car all of the time my body was recovering from labor, right In the car. All the time. My brain, like, was in that fog. But I had to keep up with all of the like new information I was getting. I had to keep up with the schedules of, like trying to nurse and then pump and then do it all over again and like 30, it was just so much information, so much for me to keep up with that. I just wasn't expecting and I was, so I put so much pressure on myself with that too, because I just kept hearing breast is best, breast is best, breast is best. And there's so many health benefits to breast milk, so many. And I really wanted that sweet bonding time with my kid and I.

Speaker 2:

I just never got that with her breastfeeding another that was a grief of like the, the finality of it, like this is for us, and until I got to that point it was a lot of hustling and pressured and like filled parenting, I think.

Speaker 1:

How long did it take you to be able to make the decision that this wasn't a sustainable option for you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, man, I think, my daughter. We were working very closely with my lactation specialist and I remember, like the distinct moment I think that she was about, I want to say like three and a half to four months old. Like it was that like whole time.

Speaker 1:

And.

Speaker 2:

I remember we we went to her house to do a craniosacral therapy appointment and she was going to do some body work with us. And I finally kind of admitted like I just don't know if this is going to work. And she was like I'm so glad that you're getting to this point because she knew. But she wanted to like me, you know, get there. But I wrote like I can just like. My body remembers like what that feeling was like and like being on her table and everything.

Speaker 1:

Man, and and I chose my words carefully when I said that you recognize that this wasn't a sustainable option for you, because you just said you, it took you like three to four months to be able to come up to this conclusion, because, I mean, technically, you could have kept going and trying all of the things and trying, you know, with all of the stress on you for up, you know, to the year.

Speaker 1:

I feel like the one year mark is oftentimes that mark when, when people are struggling, that's when they finally feel like okay, well, I did it for a year, like I can? I can just let go, because I at least made it to the one year mark, or even like six months, you know, a year that's still a long time to be fighting this, yeah, yeah yeah, I think I knew really early on, like probably, I think it was like week two, like I was in my I was two weeks postpartum.

Speaker 2:

I remember distinctly again this moment we were coming back from the pediatric dentist appointment for them to do like an assessment for a lip and a tongue tie and I thought I was going to get like all the answers, because you just don't know and I mean, and then people often just say like, oh, it's a lip tie, it's a tongue tie, like that's the answer, like that's going to be the magic yeah solution right, and so we had.

Speaker 2:

I think that day we had done the procedure we already had the assessment the week before we had done the procedure and they were, like most moms are able to latch right away after the procedure. And so I did this whole thing and we did the exercise and all this stuff and I tried to latch in the dentist office and it wasn't it just like, was it? So I was just, I was like that was it? Like that was supposed to be the fix, exactly what you're saying. And I came home and I was saving this. Like you remember how, like the newborn bottles are like so small and I was in this like little teeny newborn bottle of

Speaker 2:

milk and it was what I had pumped and I was on like such a regimented schedule and it spilled in my bag and my mom was with us and she got out of the car and I remember like being in the parking lot of my apartment complex at the time and my daughter was wailing just like screaming, but we wanted to get her home because we had to keep on the schedule right, and so I got home, I got out of car, I got the baby bottle and it had leaked everywhere and an ounce you know, newborn it was so much.

Speaker 2:

And I didn't have it. I didn't know what a freezer stash was I had. No, I didn't, and so I remember. In the parking lot I crumbled to my knees. I was in fetal and I just was weeping and my husband was like this, we cannot, we're doing formula like that, I can't see. And so it was that night that we decided we were going to supplement because I I didn't know what it was like for your milk to come in. I didn't know, I knew nothing really early on, my supply just tanked Cause.

Speaker 2:

I didn't know stimulate your nipples at that point and like the whole supply, I mean like I didn't know what I know or with my, even with my second. So I think at that point we just decided we're going to do formula supplement and then I I pumped man like every three to four hours for like seven and it was so hard and that was before. Like the wearable pumps were, like you can get one at, you know Target.

Speaker 2:

You have to order it specially and like all that stuff. So I was like plugged up to a wall for like most of that. And it was so hard.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it is difficult, and I even want to say like, even with those wearable pumps, they don't work for everyone, and I speak from experience. Yeah, this is definitely a uh, a TMI moment, but my nipples were too elastic to work with the wearable pumps, so they're. So what would happen is, when it was pumping, my nipple would basically cover the holes that the milk was supposed to come through, so it wouldn't work, and so that was really frustrating, because my hope for that was so that I could pump, and it's crazy with me trying to do this right, so I could pump while I was meeting with clients. Instead of giving myself the space to be able to pump, I was trying to do it while I was meeting with clients, and the wearable pumps are the quietest of pubs, right, yeah?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I like that's so funny. You say that because even I was watching some of my daughter's old videos as she was a baby, because she's going into kindergarten this year, um, but I was watching it. In the background I can hear that, oh, like the pump and like instantly I was brought back to that time you know, yeah, yeah, that's so crazy.

Speaker 1:

Like you, your body remembers that, like that feeling.

Speaker 2:

I can remember all of these significant moments and that's why I think I use the label of breastfeeding trauma, because it had such a hold on my nervous system and it had such a hold on my identity of being a good provider, you know, a good parent, a good mom for so long and I don't think that people talk about it at least in, like, when I was going through it, my lactation team was amazing, Like she was so helpful in so many ways, and I just don't think that the language of what you go through emotionally is tough of like.

Speaker 2:

yeah, you're just trying to figure out the mechanics of it, and so that's why I'm so passionate about how much it affects your mental health, how much it affects, like, your emotive experience of, you know, early motherhood.

Speaker 1:

but yeah, it's, it's a roller coaster it is, it really is, and so you had talked about this kind of what is it the ideas that people have about their own definition of what mother, what it means to be a mother, and it sounds like part of for you that definition involved like being able to physically feed your child through breast feeding.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh for sure, like a little bit of my history is I got into the therapy role because when I was a teen I really kind of started going down this path of disordered eating and a really you know not good relationship with it was all about how thin I could be and not about how nutritious I could feel and and and fuel my body and like, actually honor my body and all the good things, and so I think, just food in general and not wanting to pass that down to my kids, that started even with breastfeeding and this is totally unconscious, right like after doing, yeah, lots of work now I can say that. But I think my identity as a mom of like I need to feed my children well, really stemmed even into that Wow, which I don't think that like I could have gotten there without doing my own work and like why was?

Speaker 2:

this so traumatic for me? Why did my identity and my worth and my value as a provider, as a nurturer, comes slowly from like? Can my body produce enough of this thing? Right Enough of this breast milk? And that was hard, it was a really hard.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and you had even mentioned like you brought up the freezer stash and when. So there there's a concept of like having a freezer stash so that you have plenty of milk for like emergencies or something happens. But in reality the freezer stash you being able to have a freezer stash is really kind of a sign that you're over producing milk.

Speaker 1:

So there's women who have like these giant freezer stashes and you see that and think like, oh my gosh, there's something wrong with me, because all I can pump is what my child is in the moment and I don't have enough to save, and even that can create so much anxiety and so much shame for a mom thinking that they're not good enough even pump and save for like emergencies yeah oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And like I think too, on the opposite end of the spectrum, like with those mamas that have these huge freezer stashes, like they will say that because they're my clients, you know we talk about it and they're like that's just. It's so terrible that I have this oversupply and for me I'm like I would have loved that, but I obviously I don't say that you know, for them.

Speaker 2:

They have like a totally different set of emotional experiences. Right Like gosh. I just wish that I could make less like. I just don't know why my body produces this much you know, and so their grief is different right around, like just feeding and nourishing baby and it is still about feeding and nourishing baby, but it is very feeding and nourishing baby, but it is very, very different than someone who's like I just want to make enough for one bottle a day so like it's all a struggle.

Speaker 2:

We just have different kind of aspects and experiences of it. Right, but no, I hear so often I think I don't know if I would say my the number one, but it's definitely up there in like the top five probably like intrusive thoughts that I hear from my period at OCD clients or just anxiety in general in the postpartum period, super early kind of like. That three week window is like I making enough is my baby weight and our pediatric system too is so obsessed with that that like you have to come back like every single day you got to come back for you know, a weighted, a weight check, um, and I'm like is your baby gaining good, that's good thing, right?

Speaker 2:

I obviously cannot give medical advice, you know total disclaimer there. But I think some, some of the ways our medical system is set up kind of feeds into those anxiety thoughts. And am I making enough? Is he getting enough?

Speaker 2:

and I think I think a lot we see probably more so in the last few years we see a trend towards exclusively pumping moms, because they can track exactly how many ounces are out and are going in, and I think that there's a little bit of control there of knowing exactly the rigidity. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the rigidity and the schedule and just being able to track basically everything that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah yeah, which can develop into not so great habits. I mean, have it, would something like that develop, could develop into ocd I mean for sure, I think.

Speaker 2:

I think even if you don't meet criteria for, like, an OCD diagnosis, there are a lot of us that probably have these obsessive, compulsive tendencies without even knowing it Right. Like I talk a lot about reassurance seeking with my clients, specifically with, like, doctors and medical stuff, and health and safety are huge themes with paranoid OCD, especially with babies of like you know, there's an intrusive thought of SIDS or something is going to harm baby and so I have to check on them 10 times when they're napping for 30 minutes, like let's talk about that, you know, or if I don't make this feed, everything is going to be like thrown off or I don't get him or her down for a nap at this particular time.

Speaker 2:

There's so much anxiety and meaning placed on those things and I see a lot with feeding and a lot with just health and safety in general for sure.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and that's not to say that you shouldn't have any anxiety. There's definitely appropriate anxiety, but then there's some anxiety that's just not necessarily helpful, like checking on your child 10 times during their nap versus just having some fear and knowledge of SIDS itself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and it's such a hard balance, right, like you're talking about being a balanced mom. Like it is so hard and it's dicey, especially when our job and our role as moms is to keep them safe, keep them healthy, like those are good things. And I totally agree. There is a semblance of like good anxiety, right, like anxiety is not inherently bad. Anxiety can teach us, inform us, protect us. Right, like anxiety is not inherently bad. Anxiety can teach us, inform us, protect us. And when it gets really extreme and it's wreaking havoc on your relationship and your connection with baby or your connection with your partner or your family or you know, whatever it might be, that's when it can get really, really dicey yeah, and and I that you.

Speaker 1:

You brought up too that there's there's not only one type of breastfeeding trauma. It depends on what your experience was. There could also be I know we talked about this before we even recorded when we last met was this trial, this, this experience, this grief there we go to. Grief in terms of you having an idea of what you thought your experience was going to be with breastfeeding and maybe not meeting the expectation in terms of maybe you don't like it at all, maybe you make your skin crawl and you don't actually want to breastfeed anymore but you feel like you've committed and you can't change your mind, or the grief comes when you know you're trying to wean or that you.

Speaker 1:

It's not just about not being able to breastfeed.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. I think even less than breastfeeding trauma like breastfeeding aversion, is not talked about. Like people that are literally like, like they just hate the feeling, right of any, like, even a pump or maybe you're fine with you know, latching on the breast, but with a pump it feels like you're you just hate it, like you feel like a cow. Yes, you can't get away from the mechanics of it, right, like there's so many different layers to it that I just I want to create more of a space to be able to process and be okay with processing it and it doesn't have to just be like, oh my, nursing, my breastfeeding journey is going completely wonderful, or it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

Speaker 2:

There's a whole spectrum of this right. And then that's why, going back to your original point, like there's not one size fits all, like every single mama's journey with this is totally different, and it's really just identifying what aspects are kind of grabbing hold again of your worth, of your identity as a mom and healing those parts of the connect with baby and connect with yourself on a deeper level.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and being able to have a space to talk about some of those things that you feel like you can't share with other people. I mean, even for moms who've been breastfeeding, and then people will be like, oh my gosh, you're so lucky to have breastfed, but then you could and I'm thinking from my own experience, like sometimes, I'm like oh yeah, but it's so hard it's. I'm glad that I'm able to do it, but it's I I mean my daughter's four, I have a two-year-old.

Speaker 1:

I've been breastfeeding for five years non-stop with my four-year-old and then like having this went in and, yeah, I appreciate that it's amazing and I am so grateful for it because it has helped it. It's helped when they're sick and it's such easy things to like just latch them on but it's exhausting and it and that piece isn't always talked about either. In terms of it's the breast is best, but you're not giving the education on what that means. When you're making this commitment to breastfeed your child, like you, you're not told, like all of the you know the touching that's going to happen all of the times that you're going to have to be able to talk about that experience being someone who was able to breastfeed, but also knowing that there's women who who couldn't and being able to hold space for both experiences.

Speaker 2:

Totally yeah. Yeah, we're all on the spectrum, right?

Speaker 2:

Like we're all trying to just feed our kid from day one, right and so like every single experience is just different in that, and all of the emotions that come out of that is valid, whether it's confusion or annoyance or irritability or exhaustion, or pride, or confidence or empowerment like all of those things are valid.

Speaker 2:

Or confidence or empowerment like all of those things are valid. And I think that it's harder to do, but I think it's more mentally healthy to hold both of those things at the same time, right, like you know. Oh, I'm so grateful that I have been able, that my body is able to breastfeed for five years and I am so exhausted, right, like I'm so grateful that that I get to have this really special bond with baby and I'm really sick of being the one, the default parent, the one that they go to. You know what I mean. Like both of those things are true, and just expanding it and recognizing we don't have to choose. Like that this has to be a trauma or that this has to be this prideful thing. Like let's nuance it right and let's take these aspects of better gratitude and thankfulness and and wonderful, and I'm also struggling in this area too.

Speaker 1:

Right, like we don't have to choose, yeah, absolutely, and you have in for for our listeners here today you have a free breastfeeding trauma ebook. Correct, yeah, talk a little bit more about that, and I know you also have a course. I do please talk about both of those things sure, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So the e oh geez, I don't even know how many pages it is, but it kind of gives you like a little definition on like what breastfeeding grief is, and it kind of walks through like the expectation versus the reality and then maybe some very tangible, very practical skills to kind of what I like to call put a bandaid on like a wound that's really oozing right, like it's not really going to get to the deeper issue, and like get a full assessment and diagnosis, but it will give you, you know, some relief, which is what we want, especially when you're in the trenches of that and you don't have time to book an appointment with a therapist.

Speaker 2:

Maybe, maybe you don't have the resources or the finances you know to do something like that. So I wanted to just get something together to give language that I wish that I had really early on, right. And then the online course is kind of picking off of that, piggybacking off of that. It's just a more in-depth, it's I think it's five different modules. It kind of walks you through identifying, kind of, where your myths about breastfeeding, where those pressures are coming from, identifying maybe where some resentment is being held, like either between yourself, your body, other relationships, things like that. And then again some practical steps and and ways to deal with that. And I kind of set that up a little bit to where you can move through the healing process on your own. Again, because a lot of moms are going to so many appointments if they're struggling with this that they don't have time to book therapy, you know, weekly, or maybe they don't have the funding or they don't have health insurance to meet weekly you know, or bi weekly or whatever it is, so it's self paced.

Speaker 2:

all the information is there to kind of aid in a way that is accessible to mamas.

Speaker 1:

That's awesome and you practice. I always had this in your bio, but you practice in Texas and Florida. So if someone is listening right now and they're like I really want to work with Casey, what is the best way to kind of get in your world, get in contact with you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so you can just go to our website so it's wwwlandmarkcounselingpracticecom, and you can fill out the little contact us form there. You can email me at CaseyC at landmarkcounselingpracticecom, or you can text me, or give me a phone call at my number 407-212-7415.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, casey, for joining. That went by so fast and we I mean I, we could have kept talking like we could have made a part two, but we both have something right after this, so we can't continue but thank you so much for being here today.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed it.